Whether the universe sings or dances, your origins are from her basic subatomic structure and quantum laws. I'm also a musician but to claim some god sung the frequencies to bring all life into existence is a wee bit far fetched to say the least, despite it having some Cinderella kind of magic to it. Fibonacci numbers are an interesting correlative but merely something inherent in matter through all eternity. We can say the same thing about a neutron, electron and proton which will not solve the so called god riddles. I have always wondered what this fascination of some god or advanced being having to been the creator is all about in the first place. Even if it was the one guy/girl who created it, where did he/she/it come from since there is no beginning or end to the entire show. As Parmenides stated; nothing comes from nothing and a being cannot generate itself out of thin air. Everything EVOLVES out of matter and energy and always did and always will despite much of what the gods of religion here achieved which was nothing but chaos to date. Religion, the art of fools discussing the un-knowable as if their assertions and limited earth knowledge meant anything to begin with, along with the politics that binds it, is why we're still in the mess we are presently. Less gods and assumptions and more to do with changing it ourselves if it isn't working as opposed to waiting for some god/advanced being solving our problems for us. Keep on playing though, music is a great thing.
I jus' listened ta yer meetin' with Rabbi Friedman--fantastic stuff! Had already found 'im a few years ago but the kinda stuff yer askin', Naomi, is so helpful. I LOVED his elaborations on Mothers!
ps oddly on the top link on yer Stack which is "Neo-Nazi's in Kentucky" which I intended ta listen ta FIRST today, the viddeyo that played was ..... Rabbi Friedman... same as what's here--this has happened ta me a few times---seems like whoever's doin' yer postin's (temp worker) is a leetle mixed up but thankfully I'm figgerin' it out... Also, b/c of the mixed up files (lol) I ended up on YT ta listen to all of Numbers but I'm not findin' Deuteronomy--where to? (thx)
I want to warn everyone...the "New Anti Semitism" is very real. In the last 6 months it has gone off the charts. I get around a lot politically and socially and I have seen with my own eyes, intelligent people who saw through covid, who connect the dots, who are rational, suddenly are going off the rails. Not just criticizing Israeli government policy, but real nazi level thinking and imagery. Check out JakeGTV as an example. Right out of Der Sturmer 1923. Right out of Goebbels playbook. Many are SO disappointed, SO frustrated, SO angry about the state of American politics, their hopes have been crushed over and over....now along comes. "It's THE JEWS!" and many, perhaps a majority, are going for it hook line and sinker. Their outrage is being re directed from real genocidal enemies like communist china, fundamentalist islam, globalist depopulationists, communists and traitors, all that rage and frustration is now directed at "THE JEWS!" A growing fire of nazi like propaganda is feeding the hate. Please be prepared. This does not bode well for the future. Good luck to everyone.
Most thinking is subconscious, and most of that is devoted to group-belongingness. All groups think well of their own members and poorly of members of other groups.
As for the term "Anti-semitism," that has been kicking around for ages, and looks to have achieved a new level of acclaim recently. Is there anything going on there? Somewhere around the one hour mark in this interview the subject of the Noahide laws was touched upon. If one looks at the rhetoric used to advance the implementation of those laws it sounds very nice; convincing, even. But if one digs into the fine print, well, as they say, "That's not so good now." So part of the problem -- for those interested in implementing the laws -- is to keep the main mass of the population ignorant about what they really mean, and what kind of world would result. Basically they function as a foundation for genocide.
If that were widely known, then the implementation would be more difficult. The scenario recalls Lenin (Bolshevik Revolution), who said something like "The best way to deal with the opposition is to organize it ourselves." Something like that. So if enough people are automatically outraged when confronted with any idea that works against an agenda item that could be linked to Judaism (such as the Noahide laws) then the overall implementation is easier. It stops rational analysis cold...similar to the rhetoric we saw during the cv offensive ("Anti-vaxxer," "Grandma killer," and so on). So somebody, for some reason, is resurrecting the "Anti-semitism" card all over again. What do they say, "When you are over the target you get the most flak?"
Love Rabbi Friedman and Chabad's approach. It is vitally important to counter the rapidly growing danger of the New Anti-Semitism. And it will be wonderful to see your discussions with him once a month. Thank you both for doing this.
As a "Christian" I would never say "we don't need the Jews any more because of the NEW covenant". The old one is still valid for those who received it direct from God. God never goes back on His promises. Near the end of time their will be a Jewish revival in which many Jews will come to believe in Jesus, The Christ of God. Satan hates the Jews and those who follow Lucifer hate the Jews. The haters will not do well in the final Judgement.
Apparently there actually are many young people today who are not aware of the Ten Commandments or even the Seven Commandments. Religion came out of Judaism.
We are a Judeo Christian culture. A Jew called Jesus provides the key to an intimate relationship with God. "Radical Judaism" by Rabbi Arthur Green gives us even more ways to find intimacy with God. Thank you Rabbi Friedman for your insights.
I'm wondering if the term "Judeo Christian" is useful. If it's used as a synonym for "Christian," then, maybe. But the way it's usually bandied about implies that since both Christianity and Judaism share the Tanakh (Old Testament) that the two doctrines are very close. But I don't think they are. On the one hand Christianity interprets the Old Testament in the light of what came later: the gospels and the Pauline epistles, mainly (plus later developments, for instance on the Catholic side). On the other hand in Judaism there is likewise authoritative scripture that came later than the Tanakh, but it is quite a bit different. One difference is how much force ought to be used in order to "fight against evil." Another swirls around opinions of who Jesus is; and there the two doctrines are not only different but almost exactly the opposite. So we might not be able to speak of some merged state of mind signified by "Judeo Christian" until that difference is resolved (one way or another).
Thank you for your considered response. I had the experience of being part of a Torah Study (first five books...the Tanakh) with a group of Reform Jews for seven years....until October 7th was exposed for what it was. And yes, I was doing exactly that...viewing the Torah it in light of what came later. I had many questions and we often explored the Hebrew words in the Plaut edition of the Torah and their exact meaning. I have also been a lector in the Catholic Church and now in the Cathedral for well over twenty years, exploring the texts of the Old Testament as well as the Pauline epistles. The Catholic Doctrine of Nostra Aetate was explored and developed in the Archdiocese to which I belong. So I fully appreciate that this "merged state of mind" has become problematic. Thank you for pointing this out.
The Pauline epistles have 7 that he wrote and 7 that he didn't. He condoned slavery and manufactured some Mormon vision of Jesus appearing to him. Nothing but poorly written, historically inaccurate in most cases, diatribe which non-Jews fell for due to the Catholic Church of pedophilia spreading their NWO and more violence than I could fathom. Jesus also didn't mind having anyone who didn't listen to him slain, re-read your Luke for his direct quote which he supposedly made. He was king of the Jews, (Matthew) not the Gentiles which was Paul's invention. Nothing lives forever otherwise one would go mad just like Asimov illustrated in his series, Foundation. From Hawking to Dawkins all of our best scientist and philosophers are also Atheists. Read some Mark Twain and Thomas Paine on religion which should calm you down as to what you believe in being nothing more than a fantasy or borrowed stories from the Egyptians to the Greeks and Sumerians.. We have more important things to attend to than whose god is the god when none of them have a clue. As Mark Twain so aptly quoted; only un-educated people believe in religion and he proves it. When an innocent child is brutally murdered and raped, we don't see any god coming to their rescue or phantasy guardian angels assisting them. Wake up humans. And now the man has become one of US, to know good and EVIL and we're their image and likeness so read Genesis a little closer on your next search for enlightenment and see if you understand the first 5 chapters, Yoda. Good Luck. Ethics and morality never required any god which how the Neanderthals to Cro-magnum evolved and looked after their families. Once the Anunnaki arrived, that was our downfall despite the intellectual enhancement they genetically altered for us. PS- Try Russ Kick's book, 'everything you know about god is wrong' and he is an Atheist Jew, for further enlightenment on this subject matter.
I agree with Mark Twain that often it is only uneducated people who believe in God if this is what you mean by a religion. However this is not always the case.
I was married for 30 years to a brilliant scholar, English PhD from Harvard who taught a course called "The Literature of the Bible." He was an agnostic, forever 'on the fence,' a Jungian promoting the idea of proprioception and synchronicity to explain moments in a life that are inexplicable. And where is God when children are abused? You mention "guardian angels" and I never realized I had one until I was fortunately rescued from a situation in which I nearly did die at the age of 8. It was like a very powerful energy that I left my body behind for in order to escape what I thought was my pending death.
I can mention a book by a very well educated and intelligent priest called Fr.John Horgan called "His Angels by Our Side: Understanding Their Power in Our Souls and the World." Also books by the biochemist Rupert Sheldrake who talks about 'morphic resonance' in his book,"The Presence of the Past." Do you recognize that you have a soul? Always a good starting point. I could talk about my understanding of Genesis and the two Adams, but you would shout me down as my Agnostic partner was prone to doing not having being blessed with my kind of metaphysical experience. Have you ever heard a warning voice seemingly coming from your subconscious mind? That is your guardian angel speaking and very interestingly I recently found out that our guardian angels resemble us. You have one you have not recognized yet. I am not speaking from as wide a range of research such as yours but from listening carefully to what is presented to me through my own experience. The word "aporia" or "aporic" does not appear in my 1953 Webster's dictionary which I love for its classic etymology so must have been more recently coined.
Which god, the blood thirsty Yahweh who was his father supposedly or the lineage of David and Saul, the whore master (Bathsheba) and murderer? Do some serious research before blurting out aporic statements for the sake of saying something.
I have done some serious research into both Christianity and Judaism. They are closely related. I guess you didn't appreciate Rabbi Friedman as much as I did.
In all your research have you ever come across the Fibonacci series or perichoresis? This is a way of understanding God as a verb instead of a noun. Please do not allow the source to put you off. But look up a man called Gavin Ashenden under two headings: First "Music and God, In the Beginning God Sang" and second " The Music of the Spheres, The Universe is Singing." As you might guess I am a musician. Music theory as spiritual grammar always made sense to me. Perhaps it will to you?
Yes you sound like an atheist. But one who still might secretly long for a belief in God as most of them do. I liked that word "aporic" which is not often heard in the English language.
I have read all of these comments. And I must say, I am so happy you're here! Graceful responses have always affected me most. Admittedly, I have been an angry person most of my life and I can see there are similiar people here. It is the poison that I had hoped to use as a forcing function against others, To shake them from their intellectual stupor, but I’ve come to realize I’ve used on myself. To my detriment and the detriment of those around me. Of course, there are lots of caveats to specific arguments and many that I agree with but in the end, it’s about the end.
"Shaking people from their intellectual stupor" is a challenge and a worthy one. There are many ways to do this. The "non-violent communication" method that Marshall Rosenberg promotes is one. Perhaps a bit short on actual solutions though, but a good way to begin. Nothing wrong with 'justified' anger. How to express it is the greater challenge. Do let us know if you come across a good approach as yours here is suggesting.
Whether the universe sings or dances, your origins are from her basic subatomic structure and quantum laws. I'm also a musician but to claim some god sung the frequencies to bring all life into existence is a wee bit far fetched to say the least, despite it having some Cinderella kind of magic to it. Fibonacci numbers are an interesting correlative but merely something inherent in matter through all eternity. We can say the same thing about a neutron, electron and proton which will not solve the so called god riddles. I have always wondered what this fascination of some god or advanced being having to been the creator is all about in the first place. Even if it was the one guy/girl who created it, where did he/she/it come from since there is no beginning or end to the entire show. As Parmenides stated; nothing comes from nothing and a being cannot generate itself out of thin air. Everything EVOLVES out of matter and energy and always did and always will despite much of what the gods of religion here achieved which was nothing but chaos to date. Religion, the art of fools discussing the un-knowable as if their assertions and limited earth knowledge meant anything to begin with, along with the politics that binds it, is why we're still in the mess we are presently. Less gods and assumptions and more to do with changing it ourselves if it isn't working as opposed to waiting for some god/advanced being solving our problems for us. Keep on playing though, music is a great thing.
volume too low and cannot really hear rabbi
Yer ah no. Out over your skates; again. Its OK but……
I jus' listened ta yer meetin' with Rabbi Friedman--fantastic stuff! Had already found 'im a few years ago but the kinda stuff yer askin', Naomi, is so helpful. I LOVED his elaborations on Mothers!
ps oddly on the top link on yer Stack which is "Neo-Nazi's in Kentucky" which I intended ta listen ta FIRST today, the viddeyo that played was ..... Rabbi Friedman... same as what's here--this has happened ta me a few times---seems like whoever's doin' yer postin's (temp worker) is a leetle mixed up but thankfully I'm figgerin' it out... Also, b/c of the mixed up files (lol) I ended up on YT ta listen to all of Numbers but I'm not findin' Deuteronomy--where to? (thx)
pps. 'bout ta listen to the Neos in KY now!
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I want to warn everyone...the "New Anti Semitism" is very real. In the last 6 months it has gone off the charts. I get around a lot politically and socially and I have seen with my own eyes, intelligent people who saw through covid, who connect the dots, who are rational, suddenly are going off the rails. Not just criticizing Israeli government policy, but real nazi level thinking and imagery. Check out JakeGTV as an example. Right out of Der Sturmer 1923. Right out of Goebbels playbook. Many are SO disappointed, SO frustrated, SO angry about the state of American politics, their hopes have been crushed over and over....now along comes. "It's THE JEWS!" and many, perhaps a majority, are going for it hook line and sinker. Their outrage is being re directed from real genocidal enemies like communist china, fundamentalist islam, globalist depopulationists, communists and traitors, all that rage and frustration is now directed at "THE JEWS!" A growing fire of nazi like propaganda is feeding the hate. Please be prepared. This does not bode well for the future. Good luck to everyone.
Most thinking is subconscious, and most of that is devoted to group-belongingness. All groups think well of their own members and poorly of members of other groups.
As for the term "Anti-semitism," that has been kicking around for ages, and looks to have achieved a new level of acclaim recently. Is there anything going on there? Somewhere around the one hour mark in this interview the subject of the Noahide laws was touched upon. If one looks at the rhetoric used to advance the implementation of those laws it sounds very nice; convincing, even. But if one digs into the fine print, well, as they say, "That's not so good now." So part of the problem -- for those interested in implementing the laws -- is to keep the main mass of the population ignorant about what they really mean, and what kind of world would result. Basically they function as a foundation for genocide.
If that were widely known, then the implementation would be more difficult. The scenario recalls Lenin (Bolshevik Revolution), who said something like "The best way to deal with the opposition is to organize it ourselves." Something like that. So if enough people are automatically outraged when confronted with any idea that works against an agenda item that could be linked to Judaism (such as the Noahide laws) then the overall implementation is easier. It stops rational analysis cold...similar to the rhetoric we saw during the cv offensive ("Anti-vaxxer," "Grandma killer," and so on). So somebody, for some reason, is resurrecting the "Anti-semitism" card all over again. What do they say, "When you are over the target you get the most flak?"
Love Rabbi Friedman and Chabad's approach. It is vitally important to counter the rapidly growing danger of the New Anti-Semitism. And it will be wonderful to see your discussions with him once a month. Thank you both for doing this.
The god aspect of reality is the problem.
As a "Christian" I would never say "we don't need the Jews any more because of the NEW covenant". The old one is still valid for those who received it direct from God. God never goes back on His promises. Near the end of time their will be a Jewish revival in which many Jews will come to believe in Jesus, The Christ of God. Satan hates the Jews and those who follow Lucifer hate the Jews. The haters will not do well in the final Judgement.
Apparently there actually are many young people today who are not aware of the Ten Commandments or even the Seven Commandments. Religion came out of Judaism.
We are a Judeo Christian culture. A Jew called Jesus provides the key to an intimate relationship with God. "Radical Judaism" by Rabbi Arthur Green gives us even more ways to find intimacy with God. Thank you Rabbi Friedman for your insights.
I'm wondering if the term "Judeo Christian" is useful. If it's used as a synonym for "Christian," then, maybe. But the way it's usually bandied about implies that since both Christianity and Judaism share the Tanakh (Old Testament) that the two doctrines are very close. But I don't think they are. On the one hand Christianity interprets the Old Testament in the light of what came later: the gospels and the Pauline epistles, mainly (plus later developments, for instance on the Catholic side). On the other hand in Judaism there is likewise authoritative scripture that came later than the Tanakh, but it is quite a bit different. One difference is how much force ought to be used in order to "fight against evil." Another swirls around opinions of who Jesus is; and there the two doctrines are not only different but almost exactly the opposite. So we might not be able to speak of some merged state of mind signified by "Judeo Christian" until that difference is resolved (one way or another).
Thank you for your considered response. I had the experience of being part of a Torah Study (first five books...the Tanakh) with a group of Reform Jews for seven years....until October 7th was exposed for what it was. And yes, I was doing exactly that...viewing the Torah it in light of what came later. I had many questions and we often explored the Hebrew words in the Plaut edition of the Torah and their exact meaning. I have also been a lector in the Catholic Church and now in the Cathedral for well over twenty years, exploring the texts of the Old Testament as well as the Pauline epistles. The Catholic Doctrine of Nostra Aetate was explored and developed in the Archdiocese to which I belong. So I fully appreciate that this "merged state of mind" has become problematic. Thank you for pointing this out.
The Pauline epistles have 7 that he wrote and 7 that he didn't. He condoned slavery and manufactured some Mormon vision of Jesus appearing to him. Nothing but poorly written, historically inaccurate in most cases, diatribe which non-Jews fell for due to the Catholic Church of pedophilia spreading their NWO and more violence than I could fathom. Jesus also didn't mind having anyone who didn't listen to him slain, re-read your Luke for his direct quote which he supposedly made. He was king of the Jews, (Matthew) not the Gentiles which was Paul's invention. Nothing lives forever otherwise one would go mad just like Asimov illustrated in his series, Foundation. From Hawking to Dawkins all of our best scientist and philosophers are also Atheists. Read some Mark Twain and Thomas Paine on religion which should calm you down as to what you believe in being nothing more than a fantasy or borrowed stories from the Egyptians to the Greeks and Sumerians.. We have more important things to attend to than whose god is the god when none of them have a clue. As Mark Twain so aptly quoted; only un-educated people believe in religion and he proves it. When an innocent child is brutally murdered and raped, we don't see any god coming to their rescue or phantasy guardian angels assisting them. Wake up humans. And now the man has become one of US, to know good and EVIL and we're their image and likeness so read Genesis a little closer on your next search for enlightenment and see if you understand the first 5 chapters, Yoda. Good Luck. Ethics and morality never required any god which how the Neanderthals to Cro-magnum evolved and looked after their families. Once the Anunnaki arrived, that was our downfall despite the intellectual enhancement they genetically altered for us. PS- Try Russ Kick's book, 'everything you know about god is wrong' and he is an Atheist Jew, for further enlightenment on this subject matter.
I agree with Mark Twain that often it is only uneducated people who believe in God if this is what you mean by a religion. However this is not always the case.
I was married for 30 years to a brilliant scholar, English PhD from Harvard who taught a course called "The Literature of the Bible." He was an agnostic, forever 'on the fence,' a Jungian promoting the idea of proprioception and synchronicity to explain moments in a life that are inexplicable. And where is God when children are abused? You mention "guardian angels" and I never realized I had one until I was fortunately rescued from a situation in which I nearly did die at the age of 8. It was like a very powerful energy that I left my body behind for in order to escape what I thought was my pending death.
I can mention a book by a very well educated and intelligent priest called Fr.John Horgan called "His Angels by Our Side: Understanding Their Power in Our Souls and the World." Also books by the biochemist Rupert Sheldrake who talks about 'morphic resonance' in his book,"The Presence of the Past." Do you recognize that you have a soul? Always a good starting point. I could talk about my understanding of Genesis and the two Adams, but you would shout me down as my Agnostic partner was prone to doing not having being blessed with my kind of metaphysical experience. Have you ever heard a warning voice seemingly coming from your subconscious mind? That is your guardian angel speaking and very interestingly I recently found out that our guardian angels resemble us. You have one you have not recognized yet. I am not speaking from as wide a range of research such as yours but from listening carefully to what is presented to me through my own experience. The word "aporia" or "aporic" does not appear in my 1953 Webster's dictionary which I love for its classic etymology so must have been more recently coined.
Which god, the blood thirsty Yahweh who was his father supposedly or the lineage of David and Saul, the whore master (Bathsheba) and murderer? Do some serious research before blurting out aporic statements for the sake of saying something.
I have done some serious research into both Christianity and Judaism. They are closely related. I guess you didn't appreciate Rabbi Friedman as much as I did.
That's what drove to become an Atheist, doing an H.M.A. in the evolution of religion and MYth.
In all your research have you ever come across the Fibonacci series or perichoresis? This is a way of understanding God as a verb instead of a noun. Please do not allow the source to put you off. But look up a man called Gavin Ashenden under two headings: First "Music and God, In the Beginning God Sang" and second " The Music of the Spheres, The Universe is Singing." As you might guess I am a musician. Music theory as spiritual grammar always made sense to me. Perhaps it will to you?
Yes you sound like an atheist. But one who still might secretly long for a belief in God as most of them do. I liked that word "aporic" which is not often heard in the English language.
I have read all of these comments. And I must say, I am so happy you're here! Graceful responses have always affected me most. Admittedly, I have been an angry person most of my life and I can see there are similiar people here. It is the poison that I had hoped to use as a forcing function against others, To shake them from their intellectual stupor, but I’ve come to realize I’ve used on myself. To my detriment and the detriment of those around me. Of course, there are lots of caveats to specific arguments and many that I agree with but in the end, it’s about the end.
"Shaking people from their intellectual stupor" is a challenge and a worthy one. There are many ways to do this. The "non-violent communication" method that Marshall Rosenberg promotes is one. Perhaps a bit short on actual solutions though, but a good way to begin. Nothing wrong with 'justified' anger. How to express it is the greater challenge. Do let us know if you come across a good approach as yours here is suggesting.